Great piece on, i think, all things considered today regarding facebook etc and public private life.
all you teachers out there (D-BONE!) i know you know this, but man you gotta watch it. (D-BONE!!!!!)
so, as an employee of a very high profile non profit in my area, one of the reasons i have never engaged with facebook, etc is that i worry about privacy and my job.
a la, teacher posts a pic with a beer in their hand, and they get fired.
in my case, i am concerned mainly about political opinion and perceptions by donors or my employer.
this actually came up very recently for me.
there is an oregon blog and comment jaun called blue oregon, run by a buncha commies (lol) anyway, i used to go there all the time. then, out of the friggin blue (lol) they decided to use user authentication via facebook. in other words, you cant comment or post unless you are on facebook, so they can "confirm" who you are, have a "safe" virtual community (lol - meaning no trolling or disagreement basically.)
i was pissed. i emailed all the administrators etc and they're all - we want a safe community etc.
i explained - look guys, there are tons of us who VALUE our annonymity and do not post flamming comments. there are state workers, non profit employees, elected officials, etc. you're taking away ALL our voices. they were all - whatever, its how were doing it, we hope you don't leave. lol, buncha jackasses. now its simply all pundits that blog for a living posting. ghey
anyway, its an interesting topic and one i have a stake in. you always hear from the right how state workers and sometimes non-profit empployees rake it in and got it easy. in fact, that's been stated here quite often.
needless to say i disagree completely. ffs those same conservatives dont want to give public employees freedom of speech on their own private time. typical.
i simply cannot use my real name and post on facebook or blog sites. i can't do it. at least it is very risky imo. must be nice working for the private sector where you have internet freedom of speech!
anyway, heres the audio: rather it should be here once they post it.
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Great piece on, i think, all things considered today regarding facebook etc and public private life.
all you teachers out there (D-BONE!) i know you know this, but man you gotta watch it. (D-BONE!!!!!)
so, as an employee of a very high profile non profit in my area, one of the reasons i have never engaged with facebook, etc is that i worry about privacy and my job.
a la, teacher posts a pic with a beer in their hand, and they get fired.
in my case, i am concerned mainly about political opinion and perceptions by donors or my employer.
this actually came up very recently for me.
there is an oregon blog and comment jaun called blue oregon, run by a buncha commies (lol) anyway, i used to go there all the time. then, out of the friggin blue (lol) they decided to use user authentication via facebook. in other words, you cant comment or post unless you are on facebook, so they can "confirm" who you are, have a
"safe" virtual community (lol - meaning no trolling or disagreement basically.)
i was pissed. i emailed all the administrators etc and they're all - we want a safe community etc.
i explained - look guys, there are tons of us who VALUE our annonymity and do not post flamming comments. there are state workers, non profit employees, elected officials, etc. you're taking away ALL our voices. they were all - whatever, its how were doing it, we hope you don't leave. lol, buncha jackasses. now its simply all pundits that blog for a living posting. ghey
anyway, its an interesting topic and one i have a stake in. you always hear from the right how state workers and sometimes non-profit empployees rake it in and got it easy. in fact, that's been stated here quite often.
needless to say i disagree completely. ffs those same conservatives dont want to give public employees freedom of speech on their own private time. typical.
i
simply cannot use my real name and post on facebook or blog sites. i can't do it. at least it is very risky imo. must be nice working for the private sector where you have internet freedom of speech!
anyway, heres the audio: rather it should be here once they post it.
http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=2
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im talking mainly about political speech like ed said. and i was being somewhat funny, not totally serious.
but, that said, public employees especially are held to a different standard. its just that simple. most of those examples i gave were REAL.
http://bikeportland.org/2010/07/22/trimet-bus-operator-placed-on-adminis...
granted, that's pretty extreme. dude should lose his job.
here is the story from the npr piece that has seen alot of attention
http://www.reputationdefenderblog.com/2008/12/05/update-teacher-fired-fo...
its pretty simple for me: my wife is unemployed. we have relatively little savings. i lose
my job, we lose out house. period. im not about to take that chance for any reason whatsoever. and unfrotunately that includes blog posting under my real name or even having a facebook page - though of course i could have one and post vaca pics and whatnot, but that's not particularly interesting to me, so whatever. id use it to dicuss stuff and i cant really do that.
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yeah, i have mixed feelings about all this. its basically an area of
convention where society has not had hundreds of years to think about
it and experiement. suddenly, everyone was on social networks or
facebook so there's not a lot of time for society to figure out the
best way to deal with this.
i'm pretty active on facebook and had a policy of not connecting with
anyone at work. i went as far as setting my security stuff so that my
name wouldn't even come up in searches and you could only find me if
you were a friend of a friend.
then my boss got fired and he friended me a couple of days later. then
like two months later they hired him back (and put a diff boss in his
place while he was gone). so, then all of the sudden i get a friend
request from the new boss, followed by other people, including
directors and stuff. its been a bummer. i simply set up a group and
put those people into a security zone where they can't see any of my
posts or my wall.
i still do post obnoxious political and anti-war stuff in my status
jawns from time to time, even with having a new boss whose
brother-in-law is serving in afghanistan (the old boss served in iraq
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On 7/29/2010 6:44 AM, oblio wrote:
> Great piece on, i think, all things considered today regarding facebook etc and public private life.
>
I know you've played World of Warcraft in the past, did you hear about
their Real ID debacle ? The forums have long been, as Obi Wan put it,
one of the most wretched hives of scum and villainy this side of the
galaxy. But also there are some raging good debates about issues in the
game, so in that sense their purpose, to give the community a voice,
does work. The cost is that it's a daily headache for the administrators
to lock and delete all the dickhead stuff that goes on constantly. For
those who aren't in the know, this is a game that has 11.5 million
subscribers, the biggest hit in gaming history, and probably one of the
most visited sites on the internet.
In order to fight the tide, they announced they were going to start
using a Real ID system, because up till now you can create any number of
characters in the game and post as that character in anonymity. Going
forward the forums would force you to use your real first and last name,
in the belief that people aren't going to post dickhead stuff if that is
the case. The forums, as Ed likes to say *wink*, went nuclear. I mean
there have been some ragers on there, but the main thread was over 1100
pages with 22,000 posts within 24 hours. People were outraged for all
the reasons concerning privacy that immediately come to mind, and one of
the Blizzard reps posted his real first and last name to show it was
safe. Within hours he was one of the top ranked Google searches and his
entire life was plastered all over the internet as he furiously deleted
every piece of his private life. I feel bad for the guy, but point
proven I guess. Here are some articles about the whole thing:
http://www.coffeedrunk.com/2010/07/07/micah-whipple-aka-bashiok-soars-in...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10543100
http://www.itworld.com/personal-tech/113202/blizzard-share-your-name-ang...
Big S, you make a good point about facebook and the like, there are many
people who feel the same way. I finally broke down and signed up mainly
because my family was hounding me about since we were coming to China
and they wanted to keep in touch. The more we go forward with
technology, pieces of your personal life being put online is going to be
part of the process, it seems ridiculous to me that people would use
that against you. If you post that you hate black people on your
facebook page or pics from a baseball game you went to when you called
in sick from work, well then you are asking for it. But pics of you and
your kids or having a beer with friends on a Saturday afternoon should
not be fodder for losing a job.
Part of this is the curve of getting used to the technology. For
example, when everyone started to have a cellphone, it was the greatest
thing ever and people were using them in every way possible. But after a
couple years, you start seeing signs before movies that remind people
"hey, it's rude to talk while there's a movie going on" or Septa breaks
down and declares the first two cars on the local line to be cellphone
free. Eventually we see the limits of social acceptability and rules,
written and unwritten, start being made to incorporate the tech into our
lives in a way that is acceptable. The idea of having parts of our life
be public is part of that curve to a certain extent, and as generations
grow up with it as part of their lives, I think the instances of the
more mundane stuff being used against you will not be the norm. At
least, that's my theory.
PS - now that WoW is sailing into the sunset, the next big thing will be
Star Wars: The Old Republic by Bioware, who have produced some of the
greatest RPG games ever. Should be epic, everyone I game with is
crapping their pants in anticipation.
http://www.swtor.com/
Kieran
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Sorry, but as resident video game guru, I must object to wow being most successful game ever. Super Mario Bros has that title - 40+ million copies sold on the NES alone. Second best selling game ever is Tetris - 35 million copies on Game Boy alone. Both of these sales figures do not include the various other systems the games were ported to.
Yeah, wow is a huge game. But not even close to best selling ever.
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> Sorry, but as resident video game guru, I must object to wow being
> most successful game ever. Super Mario Bros has that title - 40+
> million copies sold on the NES alone. Second best selling game ever
> is Tetris - 35 million copies on Game Boy alone. Both of these sales
> figures do not include the various other systems the games were ported to.
>
I didn't say it was the most successful game ever, but that it was the
biggest hit in gaming history. I understand what you are saying in terms
of unit sales, but you are missing the bigger picture. Compared to those
other games, WoW blows them out of the water in terms of money grossed,
first you have to buy the game itself and the expansions ($90), and then
you are paying $14 a month to play, meaning from subscriptions alone
they bring in $154 million A MONTH. Mario as a franchise has made about
$220 million, that is pocket change for Blizzard. They bring in over 1
billion a year for one game, there is just no comparison.
Kieran
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On 7/29/2010 1:55 PM, oblio wrote:
Well, you do have to make some choices about who you are online if
it's a public face, there's no doubt about it. For example you
mentioned "a la, teacher posts a pic with a beer in their hand, and
they get fired", my point was that that kind of thing over time will
probably become more acceptable and while now someone might use it
against you, eventually that will become a part of internet life. At
least that's my opinion. The other side of the coin is posting
something really offensive, which no matter what happens will always
be a mark against you. But you're right, there is a lot of gray
about what may or may not come back to haunt you, and at some level
you have to be conscious about how you present yourself. For me
facebook is just a way to post vacation pics or updates for
family/friends about travel, kids, etc. I'm not going to have pics
of me vomiting and blacked out at a Megadeath concert. Really if you
want to post about how republicans are race baiting closet
homosexuals, you have to treat that in the same way as if you said
it out loud at an office party, or even better, included it on your
job resume. You have to make choices about what you show to people.
Like you said about the forum you liked that was forcing people to
link to facebook, there may be times that being anonymous is
valuable enough to drive you away from certain places or practices.
You have to draw your own lines and be conscious of what your online
presence is and what impact it may have on your life. As you
mentioned, your privacy is valuable enough to you that you won't
even risk creating a facebook account, so that's your line in the
sand.
Also, just from a moral standpoint, if there are things you really
believe in and it winds up costing you a job or something, isn't
that part of principles, that you stand behind them even if people
disagree or attack you for it ? There's an interesting story about
this guy who was secretly gay and saved the life of Ford during an
assassination attempt, and in the process was publicly outed, which
really messed up his life. On the one hand, if that's who you are,
why should have you have to hide it, and maybe it should be the case
that you live as who you are and damn the world. But maybe having it
be his private thing was comfortable for him and it was really wrong
to force him into a position of having it public fact. Here's the
wiki on the dude:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Sipple
Kieran
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Just make a fake facebook page. Back when I used to 419 bait those dudes in Africa, etc., even my baiting character had a fake facebook page: