So, there's been this guy on the internets for a number of years named Hal Turner. Most of what I know/knew about him is what I've read other places. His rap was that he was an anti-semite and had a lot of associations with white-supremecist organizations (seems to be true from my research). I'd come across one of his articles every oncr in a while. I never actually read any of his racist stuff, but what I did come across seemed like it was written by a nut.
Well, over the past year or so he has become increasingly shrill and has said things on his web broadcast that will most likely get you
arrested or at least get a good talking to by the Secret Service. He finally went over the edge and apparently advocated, or came really
close to advocating, killing federal officals. He got arrested and his
held without bail. On June 3, 2009, Turner was arrested and charged
with inciting injury to two politicians in Connecticut and a state
ethics official.
The interesting thing is that it has been reported by the AP that this
dude was apparently an FBI informant from 2002-2008. He was paid by
the FBI to act as an agent provocateur in order to foment action
amongst his adherents for the purpose of arresting them (admitted by
the prosecution in a court room). The question is, should the
government be doing things like this?
"According to the Associated Press, Hal Turner has exposed through his
attorney that he worked for the FBI from 2002 to 2007 as an "agent
provocateur" and "his job was basically to publish information which
would cause other parties to act in a manner which would lead to their
arrest" [...] Turner was a paid FBI informant for several years,
supplying information about right-wing terrorism to federal
agents.[25] The original allegations that Turner acted as an informant
for the FBI surfaced in 2008 after unidentified hackers claimed on
Turner's website's forums that they had read email correspondence
between him and an FBI agent, apparently his handler.[26] This led to
a discussion on a neo-Nazi website on January 10, 2008, in which
Turner revealed he was quitting political work, was ending his radio
show and that he was separating "from the 'pro-White' movement".[26]
At the time, the FBI declined to comment on the matter and Turner
denied being an informant.[26] The Southern Poverty Law Center[27] and
the Anti-Defamation League reported on the emails that "a neo-Nazi
Website had posted material reportedly found by the hackers, including
alleged exchanges between himself and law enforcement agents which
indicated that Turner had been providing information to them."[28] On
July 28, 2009 in a Chicago courtroom, Turner's defense lawyer said
that Turner worked as a paid informant for the FBI.[29] During an
August 11, 2009 hearing prosecutors acknowledged "that Turner has been
an FBI informant, paid by the government to spy on radical right-wing
organizations."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner#cite_note-HalsWords-0
RE: Hal Turner: Informant
that's crazy!
sounds like the FBI was blurring the line there ... isn't that like
entrapment or something?
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 2:43 PM, TragicHipster<> wrote:
> So, there's been this guy on the internets for a number of years named
> Hal Turner. Most of what I know/knew about him is what I've read other
> places. His rap was that he was an anti-semite and had a lot of
> associations with white-supremecist organizations (seems to be true
> from my research). I'd come across one of his articles every once in a
> while. I never actually read any of his racist stuff, but what I did
> come across seemed like it was written by a nut.
>
> Well, over the past year or so he has become increasingly shrill and
> has said things on his web broadcast that will most likely get you
> arrested or at least get a good talking to by the Secret Service. He
> finally went over the edge and apparently advocated, or came really
> close to advocating, killing federal officals. He got arrested and his
> held without bail. On June 3, 2009, Turner was arrested and charged
> with inciting injury to two politicians in Connecticut and a state
> ethics official.
>
> The interesting thing is that it has been reported by the AP that this
> dude was apparently an FBI informant from 2002-2008. He was paid by
> the FBI to act as an agent provocateur in order to foment action
> amongst his adherents for the purpose of arresting them (admitted by
> the prosecution in a court room). The question is, should the
> government be doing things like this?
>
> "According to the Associated Press, Hal Turner has exposed through his
> attorney that he worked for the FBI from 2002 to 2007 as an "agent
> provocateur" and "his job was basically to publish information which
> would cause other parties to act in a manner which would lead to their
> arrest" [...] Turner was a paid FBI informant for several years,
> supplying information about right-wing terrorism to federal
> agents.[25] The original allegations that Turner acted as an informant
> for the FBI surfaced in 2008 after unidentified hackers claimed on
> Turner's website's forums that they had read email correspondence
> between him and an FBI agent, apparently his handler.[26] This led to
> a discussion on a neo-Nazi website on January 10, 2008, in which
> Turner revealed he was quitting political work, was ending his radio
> show and that he was separating "from the 'pro-White' movement".[26]
> At the time, the FBI declined to comment on the matter and Turner
> denied being an informant.[26] The Southern Poverty Law Center[27] and
> the Anti-Defamation League reported on the emails that "a neo-Nazi
> Website had posted material reportedly found by the hackers, including
> alleged exchanges between himself and law enforcement agents which
> indicated that Turner had been providing information to them."[28] On
> July 28, 2009 in a Chicago courtroom, Turner's defense lawyer said
> that Turner worked as a paid informant for the FBI.[29] During an
> August 11, 2009 hearing prosecutors acknowledged "that Turner has been
> an FBI informant, paid by the government to spy on radical right-wing
> organizations."
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner#cite_note-HalsWords-0
>
RE: Hal Turner: Informant
Do you ever wonder about Glenn Beck?
FBI paid racist shock jock Hal Turner ‘in excess of $100,000?
Turning informant on your fans can be lucrative, if you're a shock
jock by the name of Hal Turner.
Amid a trial where Turner faces criminal charges for making threats of
violence against public servants, he disclosed that the Federal Bureau
of Investigation paid him "in excess of $100,000" over a five-year
period.
Turner, a long-time racist radio host who attracted an audience of
white supremacists and neonazis, was first revealed as an FBI
informant in 2008. After becoming the subject of ridicule on infamous
Internet forum 4chan, Turner was confronted by hackers on his site's
discussion boards with copies of e-mails he'd allegedly sent to the
FBI, bragging about how he'd helped in "flush[ing] out another crazy."
The arrest came after Turner called for the murder of three judges.
"Let me be the first to say this plainly: these Judges deserve to be
killed," he wrote on his Web site, according to MSNBC. "He included
their pictures, phone numbers, work address and room numbers along
with a photo of the courthouse in which they work and a map of its
location, the FBI says."
"In gripping testimony on Tuesday, all three Chicago appellate court
judges took the stand and said they felt threatened by Turner’s blog
posting..." NorthJersey.com reported. The publication also revealed
details about Turner's compensation on the public's dime.
According to Turner's lawyer, the shock jock was specially trained to
incite fringe individuals. "His job was basically to publish
information which would cause other parties to act in a manner which
would lead to their arrest," attorney Michael Orozco said.
Turner's famously vile broadcasts began in 2002, though the one-time
Pat Buchanan campaign coordinator did not begin his relationship with
the FBI until 2003. Before Turner began his work in radio, he was a
frequent guest on the Sean Hannity radio show in New Jersey. Turner
ceased broadcasting in 2008 amid an investigation into his
increasingly violent rhetoric.
A judge in December declared proceedings against Turner a mistrial
after the jury became deadlocked on an argument of whether hate speech
is protected under the First Amendment. The trial was postponed and
moved to Brooklyn, where it resumed on March 1.